For those who are not following www.3plusplus.net, I wrote two articles recently reviewing the Privateer Press Summer Deals because Kirby asked me to. I must apologize for those who've already read these articles because I will be recycling them here today, but at least I'm combining them into a single article (which will be found in the future under the 'Review' tab above) and I have downgrading a couple of ratings after some discussion and reconsideration. While Games Workshop
is raising prices on 200+ items, Privateer Press is offering special 25 point deals
on products through their online store. I'll be rating these on a
1-5 scale on Longevity (how often you'll use the models in the deal), in a similar style to when I rated the Battlegroup boxes on my own blog, but I'll also rate these based on the Power
of the 25 point list in the deal. Just to clarify, I do mean the 25
point list created from the models you get in the deal itself compared
to any other 25 point list you might come across. This means that I'm
not so much ranking them relative to each other, but more sharing my
opinion on whether it'll be a solid list playing against anyone at 25
points. Since each of these deals has a
savings of about 25%, you at least know that you're getting a pretty
good deal here. Lastly, at the end of my review I'll include my [brutally honest]
concluding thoughts about the deals themselves.
Warmachine
Cygnar
Cygnar Battlebox (plastic)
o Warcaster Commander Coleman Stryker
o Ironclad Heavy Warjack
o Lancer Light Warjack
o Charger Light Warjack
Stormguard (full unit)
Archduke Runewood
Squire
and a free copy of the Prime MKII rulebook!
Value:
$130.45 vs. $174.93 retail - %25.4 savings
Longevity: (3/5)
- I don't really think that the Cygnar plastic battlegroup is all that
great in the first place but at least the warjacks you get give you some
flexibility in planning for other Cygnar warcasters in the future.
Unfortunately, you'll rarely use all of the battlegroup warjacks
together again. Stormguard are a great unit but are often overlooked
for Stormblades, but they're a solid unit. Runewood is a curious
addition but is also a pretty solid model to use in the future,
especially since you'll probably want to pick up Sword Knights at some
point anyway. Lastly, the Squire is one of the best warcaster
attachments out there and will see a lot of use no matter what list you
use.
Power: (4/5)
- I actually think that this hodge-podge 25 point list could be quite
effective. All of the models will highly benefit from Stryker's feat
and he has a wide variety of spells to throw out onto the models out
there. Arcane Shield on the Stormguard will be quite funny on his feat
turn as you're throwing ARM 23 infantry into your opponent's face and
laughing at them. Runewood will make sure that the Stormguard are able
to get to their target, even if rough terrain is in the way, and
everyone can benefit from the Squire. I think there's enough to make
this 25 point army fun and flavorful.
Khador
Khador Battlebox (plastic)
o Warcaster Kommander Sorscha
o Destroyer Heavy Warjack
o Juggernaut Heavy Warjack
Widowmakers
Winter Guard Infantry UA
Winter Guard Infantry (full unit)
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich
and a free copy of the Prime MKII rulebook!
Value:
$125.94 vs. $169.92 retail - %25.9 savings
Longevity: (5/5)
- This is a very solid list of models for Khador. Every Khador
player's first purchase should be these exact models with the addition
of perhaps a War Dog. I really don't have much else to say.
Power: (3/5)
- Winterguard Infantry are awesome, but everyone knows
about and plans for the Winter Guard Death Star whenever they're
building a list, and at 25 points they'll often have something to deal
with your models. They'll still be great and you should still take
them, but I don't think they'll synergize as well with pSorscha as they
might elsewhere. If you pick up eSorscha, however, I think you'll find
the power level of this 25 point list to be a bit better as she makes
the Winter Guard much better in a lot of ways.
Protectorate of Menoth
Protectorate of Menoth Battlebox (plastic)
o Warcaster High Exemplar Kreoss
o Crusader Heavy Warjack
o Revenger Light Warjack
o Repenter Light Warjack
Choir of Menoth
Bastions (plastic)
Vassal Mechanik
Vassal of Menoth
and a free copy of the Prime MKII rulebook!
Value:
128.66 vs. $172.94 retail - %25.6 savings
Longevity: (2/5)
- I'm going to be pretty harsh here. While Choir and the Vassal of
Menoth are great models that should be in almost every Menoth list, they
really are the only models in this deal that you'll use on a regular
basis with other Menoth warcasters. Bastions are pretty solid too, I
might add, but even then they are not necessary in most lists.
Power: (3/5)
- Despite my harsh criticisms on the longevity of the models, I think
this list will put up a reasonable fight. The 'Pop-n-Drop' technique is
a tried-and-true one and Bastions will love Defender's Ward to keep
them threatening and obnoxious. That said, even with Choir and a
Vassal, there are really too many warjacks for Kreoss to run them well,
and all of the jacks are very inefficient. The Mekanik will help keep
that Crusader running for longer, but unfortunately the Crusader isn't
enough to justify this 25 point list being all that great.
Cryx
Cryx Battlebox (plastic)
o Warcaster Warwitch Deneghra
o Slayer Helljack
o 2 Deathripper Bonejacks
o Defiler Bonejack
Mechanithralls (full unit)
Necrosurgeon and Stich Thralls
Warwitch Siren
Skarlock
and a free copy of the Prime MKII rulebook!
Value:
$118.74 vs. $161.92 retail - %26.7 savings
Longevity: (5/5)
- *sigh* I hate to admit it, but this is a pretty awesome deal. I hate
Cryx - I really do - but all of the models in this deal will see
regular inclusion in other lists. Mechanithralls are your staple
cheap-but-effective Cryx infantry unit and the Necrosurgeon is
practically a unit attachment for them. Steampunk zombies are pretty
great and they're found with pretty much any Cryx warcaster. On top of
that, the Warwitch Siren is amazing for getting the most out of warjacks
and even if there are no warjacks around, she sports Venom and can even
hold her own in melee. Lastly, every Cryx player should own a
Skarlock. All of that plus the reasonable models you get in the
battelbox and I'd have to say this is an awesome deal!
Power: (5/5)
- *SIGH* I really hate Cryx. Yes, this 25 point list is probably the
best of the bunch. Everything works together really well and with
Deneghra having such an awesome feat and spell list, she makes
Mechanithralls go from annoying to frightening and capable of wrecking
heavies. The fact that the necrosurgeon can bring them back is even
more frightening. If you're interested in Cryx, get this deal.
Mercenaries
Magnus the Traitor
Mangler
Renegade
Renegade
Steelhead Rifleman Unit
Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord
and a free copy of the Prime MKII rulebook!
Value:
$118.75 vs. $161.93 retail - %26.7 savings
Longevity: (1/5)
- It's too bad that the Mercenaries don't have a plastic box but this
is your best bet of getting that equivalent. The rating here might seem
a bit harsh but that's in the scope of the entire Mercenary faction.
Magnus fits into only a couple of contracts and Renegades can only
be taken with him, so you're already looking at a fairly limited scope
for using these models in other Mercenary lists. Rhupert is great in
most lists anyway (even in other factions) and Riflemen are okay, but if
you're looking to get into Mercs, this is a very narrow 25 point list
and you'll rarely use any of these models with other warcasters in such a
broad faction.
Power: (4/5)
- While these models won't be used much outside of this list, I think
the list itself is quite solid. Magnus is a surprisingly awesome
warcaster and Renegates are really awesome warjacks if you wait until
the right moment to launch their Obliterator rockets! A full unit of
Steelhead Riflemen can be devastating at 25 points as they can deal with
a large variety of targets from infantry to heavies. Even the Mangler
feels quite at home here, capable of dealing with warjacks or swiping
away at infantry with its Thresher. I think you'll have a lot of fun
and success with this 25 point list.
Retribution
Kaelyssa
Vyre Jack Kit (Banshee)
Standard Heavy Jack Kit (Phoenix)
Magehunter box
Magehunter UA
Magehunter Assassin
and a free copy of the Prime MKII rulebook!
Value:
$119.65 vs. $162.93 retail - %26.6 savings
Longevity: (4/5)
- This package has a lot of great things going for it. First of all,
the two warjacks you get are both very solid and will find their way
into a variety of lists. While you'll rarely want both in the same
list, either of them will fit into a large variety of Retribution lists
and you'll definitely use them again. Next, not only do you get the
Magehunters - which are one of the best ranged units in the game right
now - but you also get their UA. Lastly, top it off with everyone's
most-hated Magehunter Assassin and you're good to go. Retribution is
already a small faction so there's a lot of overlap, but these are the
models in a narrow range that see the most play and that's good for you.
Power: (3/5)
- I honestly don't see this list knocking around too many other 25
point lists. Yes, the components are pretty awesome, but I don't think
that Kaelyssa brings it all together as well as you might think. While
this package definitely has more of a theme than the others ("KILL THE
MAGE!"), I think playing against anything outside of that narrow scope
will prove to be quite challenging. Retribution is already a finesse
faction as it is, and this list doesn't help. That's not to say it
can't do well, but I think for a newer player they will find it
difficult to gain traction quickly.
Hordes
Circle Orboros
Circle Army Summer Sale Bundle contains:
Circle Battlebox (plastic)
o Kaya the Wildborne Warlock
o Feral Warpwolf Heavy Warbeast
o 2 Argus Light Warbeasts
Tharn Bloodtrackers (unit)
Shifting Stones
Lord of the Feast
and a free copy of the Primal MKII rulebook!
Value:
$116.96 vs. $159.95 retail - %26.8 savings
Longevity: (3/5)
- In this particular deal I feel like the battlegroup actually holds
the deal back from a better score. While most Circle players will agree
that Shifting Stones, Lord of the Feast, and Bloodtrackers are amazing
models that can be used in most any list, unfortunately those will be
the only models you're likely to use again outside of this specific
list. I will say that the Feral Warpwolf is much better than people
give it credit for, despite it's Stalker brother. The Feral is capable
of wrecking most heavies in the game with a full compliment of attacks
and you'll miss that MAT 7 when you don't have it around.
Unfortunately, pKaya rarely sees play outside of these introductory
games and the Argus is notorious for the bashing it gets from the
community - despite my personal feelings to the contrary.
Power: (2/5)
-This 25 point list is a mixed bag. While Kaya definitely makes her
beasts awesome, she does often lack in anti-infantry, which this list
packs in spades. Unfortunately, that's to the detriment of some great
heavy-hitting warbeasts. Also, Kaya is really good at managing fury on
her warbeasts and so the purpose of the Shifting Stones is a little
unclear. Additionally, while Occultation is a great spell, it's a bit of a waste on the Bloodtrackers since they already have a natively high DEF and Stealth
does not make them terribly excited. In general, this power of this
list is just the sum of its parts, and although those parts are pretty
great, I think a budding Circle player will get frustrated playing with
this list more often than not.
Legion of Everblight
Legion of Everblight Battlebox (plastic)
o Lylyth, Herald of Everblight Warlock
o Carnivean Heavy Warbeast
o 4 Shredder Lesser Warbeasts
Strider Deathstalker
Strider Deathstalker
The Forsaken
Warspears
and a free copy of the Primal MKII rulebook!
Value:
$114.26 vs. $156.94 retail - %27.2 savings
Longevity: (3/5)
- Some of the models included in this deal aren't bad at all.
Forsaken are pure gold no matter who you take (and were hard to find in
stores and online for a while). The Deathstalkers are also great, but
are limited in their usage with particular lists (they're great with
eLylith). Same thing goes with the Warspears. They're great, but most
people will prefer the Warmongers because of berserk. I've already
given the battlegroup a solid rating in the past but I think that the
models included here, aside from the Forsaken, will probably be too
limited for usage in other Legion lists. Also considering how much
Legion players like running warbeasts (they're pretty cool so I don't
blame them), I doubt many of you who are interested in Legion will be
happy without lots of land-shark-dragons running across the battlefield.
Power: (4/5)
- I think that this 25 point list is quite solid! While not many feel
drawn to pLylith, if you think of her more like a super solo then you'll
see why she's so appealing. She shoots targets with her bow (and with Eyeless Sight, mind you) so that her beasts can charge them for free AND she can also toss Parasite
on the target for free! She's great at hunting down high-ARM targets
and even Shredders become scary when they effectively get +3 POW. This
list also sports solid ranged attacks to deal with infantry
(Deathstalkers) and the Warspears - although often overlooked for
Warmongers - will love pLylith's feat and offer some meaty bodies to
keep her safe behind. Lastly, the Forsaken offers some much-needed fury
management for Lylith so you can feel safe in running that Carnivean to
maximum. Also as a side note - pLylith's feat affects ranged and melee attacks, offering some fantastic versatility against a number of targets - especially with the Carnivean's spray!
Skorne
Skorne Summer Sale Army Bundle contains:
Skorne Battlebox (plastic)
o Master Tormentor Morghoul Warlock
o 2 Cyclops Savage Light Warbeasts
o Titan Gladiator Heavy Warbeast
Nihilators
Paingiver Beast Handlers (unit)
Hakaar the Destroyer
and a free copy of the Primal MKII rulebook!
Value:
$122.36 vs. $165.95 retail - %26.3 savings
Longevity: (5/5)
-This deal is fantastic if you're looking to start Skorne. Nihilators
are their go-to infantry in a large variety of lists because they sport
a good P+S, reach, tough, and berserk for clearing
out swaths of models. In fact, the only models that are limited in
their use here are probably Hakaar and the Savages, but they can
certainly be used with other warlocks.
Power: (4/5)
- While I don't have much experience playing with Skorne, I have
played against it a lot and I can tell you that I think this list will
be pretty solid. Not only is pMorghoul a solid warlock but the rest of
the elements seem to work fairly well together. Nihilators will do a
great job at clearing out any infantry you might encounter and with the
help of the Paingivers and Abuse, those Savages can deal some
serious hurt to enemy heavies. Combine all of this with a good feat
(although it's much better against Hordes) and I think that any Skorne
player will find this 25 point list fun and effective. My only worry is
that Hakaar seems a bit out of place here, but I guess he could be a
useful solo in this list for his solid melee attacks.
Trollbloods
Trollblood Battlebox (plastic)
o Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain Warlock
o 2 Troll Impaler Light Warbeasts
o Troll Axer Light Warbeast
Fell Caller Hero
Whelps
Runebearer
Trollkin Fennblades
and a free copy of the Primal MKII rulebook!
Value:
$126.86 vs. $170.94 retail - %25.8 savings
Longevity: (5/5)
- I think that the Trollblood summer deal is the best deal of the
bunch. Period. While Trolls have been adding some diversity to their
playstyle, a lot of Trollblood warlocks apply the philosophy of "Axe to
Face" and every model included here will find itself useful in a wide
variety of lists - even the second impaler might find itself a home with
Gunny or Grim! Also worth considering with this list is generally how
expensive Troll models are normally (since they're so large in stature)
and so a deal like this is fantastic for taking the sting out of
purchasing the models you need and this is a fantastic, affordable start
to playing the faction.
Power: (4/5)
- While the models included here are really fantastic, the hitting
power of this list is fairly lacking. More specifically, there's a lot
of mid-range power hitting here but nothing goes above the P+S 14 range,
which can be a real problem when facing other lists. Fortunately, at
25 points you're unlikely to see a swarm of heavy targets so this is
mitigated a bit. Also worth considering is that a large volume of
mid-range hitting means that almost anything in your list is capable of
damaging heavy targets, even if you might have to apply lots of them to
do it. Even still this list I feel packs a lot of power behind it and
"bricks up" rather well and its strength is in being able to handle a
variety of targets.
Concluding Remarks
It's
always refreshing to see a miniatures game company putting models on
sale when they aren't going out of business, and each of these 25 point
deals represent a great discount to both bolster your forces or if
you're interested in taking the plunge into a particular faction. I'm
actually amazed at how well-balanced each of these appear to be against
each other - and that's not easy to do! I think that any player will
get a good feel of the faction from any of these 25 point lists, even if
I might make the review sound terrible.
That said, you
should have noted by now that the discount on all of these deals is
generally around 25%. That's both fairly significant (especially
directly from the company) but also unimpressive when compared with
online retailers. I won't provide any links or share any names of
stores, but I'm sure you're all able to find an online retailer that
will sell the same products for 25-30% off of their normal retail
value. What does separate these deals apart from their value is that you are getting a 25 point list.
They did a pretty good job of finding and making lists that are fairly
well-balanced and around the same cost - and that's not an easy thing to
do. If you've been playing Warmachine/Hordes for a while, though,
these deals are not really for you. You probably will already have an
idea of the models you want to purchase for that faction you're eyeing
and you can probably pick up the models you need for a much more
efficient value (especially since you will doubtfully need the "free"
rulebook). If, however, you are new to the game, then I would recommend
these deals since you might not have any idea of where to get started -
especially since opinion varies wildly on the internet.
In
short, if you're interested in taking the plunge into Warmahordes,
these are a great way to get started. If, however, you've been playing
for at least 6 months, you'll probably be unimpressed.